On 15th May 2017, an anonymous
article was published in the Libertatem Magazine accusing ILNU and Ahmedabad Mirror of misrepresenting placement data. Following the same, the Ahmedabad Mirror, on 17th May, covered the
story alleging misrepresentation of data by ILNU. The major contention of the Author’s of both the aforementioned articles, the replies provided by the University Management and the results of a little digging by Arguendo are provided below;
Picture 1 is the actual Press Note supplied by the University to Ahmedabad Mirror, which has been provided to us by the University.
Picture 2 is the version published by Ahmedabad Mirror (accessible here.)
We have highlighted the disputed part to make it clear that as per the interim report which was released by NIRMA University, the University had never claimed that the got his offer from the College. The interim note states that;
“The highest package offered was around Rs 16 lakh per annum and the average package comes to around Rs5.25 lakh, offered by top domestic law firms and corporates among others. Overall, the feeling is that all the recruiters who have visited the campus or who have opted off campus placement drives, were extremely happy with the quality and skills of the students of ILNU….”
What is even more blatantly obvious is that Ahmedabad Mirror choose to edit and change the verbatim of the Press Note and published something which was not only ambiguous but also started this entire fiasco in the first place.
Essentially every single accusation being leveled towards NIRMA University in this instance stems from the fact that the Editor of Ahamabad Mirror apprently left out some words in the middle of the sentence.
[We have reached out to AM but have got no response till the time of publishing this]
Allegation 2: That the student in question himself was unaware of his package and hence Nirma University announcing that the student had received a package of 16L was misleading.
Clarification issued by the University:
According to the
Ahmedabad Mirror itself, the placement coordinator for Nirma has already clarified this stating,
“No law firm provides written details about pay package. Students are informed verbally about it at a later stage. We calculate the average package based on information provided to students and through figures available about the pay packages from the market.”
Arguendo’s Analysis: The author of the articles in both Ahmedabad Mirror and Libertatem Magazine fail to take into account that Law firms have standard fixed packages in general. As per available data published in
Legally India, the last mass hike in salaries across top law firms was in the year 2015 and from 2016 salaries ranged in tightly fixed stable brackets. Essentially if you make it into a top law firm, it can reasonably be guessed as to what will be the pay package offered to you.
Other places which give an overview of previous years salaries offers are
here,
here,
here and
here.
Again, at no place has the management of NIRMA University even remotely misrepresented on any aspect but merely drawn an inference from available data.
Subsequently, on the 18th of May 2017, Ahmedabad Mirror went ahead and covered a
story stating that Nima was apparently threatening its students with defamation and restricting them from speaking against the college.
Arguendo got in touch with the Director of Institute of Law, Nirma University, who was kind enough to forward to us the email in question, which was sent to students after the first articles were published.
It is being reproduced below with their permission;
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Dear ILNUits
I came to know recently about some very shocking state of affairs. Some of our students indulging and trying to defame the institute where they studying. If any students has got any issue any query can directly write to administration but engaging yourself in an activity which belittle the institute is not tolerated. It’s ultimately damaging the future prospects of you all existing students.
The first and fundamental lesson of law education is not to be judgmental if you do not have facts in your hand. Get your facts corrected before you opine and defame your institute on social media. Approach an appropriate authority to present your grievances/issues/comment if any. The difference between law man and layman lies here. It’s very easy to belittle an image of an individual or an institute making of which might have taken huge sacrifices and sheer hardwork of many people.
I make a sincere appeal to all of you to take care of this and refrain from any activity which ultimately harms the students’ future prospects.”
Arguendo’s Analysis: We leave the readers to judge this for themselves. But we clearly fail to see how websites like
Lawctopus,
Legally India and any other websites which may have alleged the same, reach the conclusion that the students of the University were “
threatened with defamation” or their “
freedom of speech were curtailed“.
It seems evident that the Management, in the email shared above, only pointed out that if there were any grievances, there were proper channels of redressal for the same. Spoiling the name of the institution would only damage current students. The established process of grievance redressal is in all Universities and it would be quite a stretch to think that requesting that students respect the process cannot be a threat as such.
It is also interesting to note that Lawctopus, Legally India, and Ahmedabad Mirror cited and shared an email sent by an ex-student, who had raised multiple allegations against the University. However surprising all the three previously mentioned websites fail to do however is share the reply by the University which clarified and rebutted all the allegations of the ex-student.
{Arguendo has been provided with a copy of the email thread but would not be sharing/publishing private emails without the express permission of the University.}
[We would like to thank Prof. (Dr.) Purvi Pokhariyal, Director & Dean, Institute of Law, Nirma University, Ahmedabad, Gujarat for sparing some time from her schedule to revert to our queries and providing us all clarifications with respect to this.]
[In case there are any current students of Institute of Law, Nirma University who would either want to challenge this version of the events or issue a state in support of the same please do write to us at fsa712@gmail.com.]
Note From Our Editor: No University is perfect. There were allegations of nepotism, corruption, and mismanagement even in Universities such as NUJS, NUSRL, and NLSIU among some. As Law students and future lawyers of this Country, it is the duty of ever student to raise a voice whenever they see something wrong happen. But such voice should not be raised merely for the sake of hearing loud voices. As Law students, we have the greater responsibility to verify everything we say or post. Unverified allegations without proof are not something we as Law students should be buying into. No University is perfect. But something close to perfection can be achieved once students and management work together in tandem.
I am a faculty there. We cannot reach the director how did you reach? If she chooses to talk to you only please give her a message that some of the faculties have emailed her for some work, please respond.
Mam
When one of the student of 2017 mail you regarding ILNU placement. You did not respond because he tag Director General. Mam please dont make such egositic statement. Many faculties have leave because of your behaviour. I remember when one of faculty teaching us Constitution you came and said her that not to teach like us and black bla. Despite the fact that she teach best and always with students. Tell me mam what Family law, Corporate law, Criminal law faculties leave the institute. Why the case against NIRMA? ( Walli Khan) Mam he cleared the JACK exam which is one of the toughest exam but because of your ego you did not publish in the website and also inform other students about the same as you inform the students about the RJS exam. Mam please spare your ego and try to be friendly with students.
Dear Anonymous Users
If you really have some real facts and if you feel that you have strong reasons to support your argument, please be strong enough and come forward with your face and present your case clearly before the authorities. Don't be coward, show some real sportsmanship.Let your arguments and issues come forward which you consider to be so very strong, if they are really true. Hoping for positive response.
भाई मुझे भी अंग्रेज़ी नहीँ आती। हिंदी में ही लिख देता यार। अपने डायरेक्टर को भी नहीं आती। इसलिए कोई नौकरी भी नहीं देता।
और भाई Arguendo तुम क्या डायरेक्टर को थैंक्स बोल रहे हो। लेण्डु हो क्या? छप्पर फाड़ के गोविंदा की तरह खुद हँस रहा है, खुद ताली बजा रहा है
Dear Anonymous Citizens of India,
If you feel that there are lacuna or flaws in the report posted above, please feel free to reach out to us with your side of the story at fsa712@gmail.com. Don't stay Anon, let your voice be heard. Mail us.
The average placement of 5 something lakhs is also false(which btw is also mentioned clearly in the libartatem article which was also one of the issues in this ILNU false reports Scam which you ignored completely), please look into that. And talk to the students and faculties and not just the ditector.
Director* sorry for the typo 🙂
सही स्पेलिंग Dictator है
Dear Mr. Yadav,
It will be great if you check with the so called "in house" magazine of ILNU, whether the stats they have so proudly shared are correct. If you cannot see how the press note has been changed into giving it a completely different meaning by dropping off important words like, "Off campus placements", which was the main issue to your batch, then there is some problem in your understanding.
I am as much a student of ILNU, and however much I hate to admit this, you are wrong in your arguments. I'm a member of CRC, and I am more than sure, you will get the placement stats (the correct and updated version).
Hey anonymous user who is calling other anonymous users a coward, we don't see your name either! And FYI students have come out to the administration but the group email IDs which could facilitate a discussion between students and the administration have been blocked. So much for sportsmanship, right?
-Neha Shree.
नेहा तुम इतनी बोल्ड कैसे?
Dear Gaurav,
To be honest, the 5. something lac average package reported by NIRMA is not false. The average is around some 5.15 lacs. Unfortunately the Libartatem writer did not realize that the stats which were available to the public did not include the Fellowships which the students of NIRMA have received. The article at Libartatem also was wrong about the number of students placed till then.
Unfortunately, as the statistics are college confidential property, we are not at the liberty to publish the same. But if you are a student of NIRMA, I am sure your department should be more than happy to provide you the details directly.
Apart from that if there are any allegations against the college which you can prove. (The key word here being "prove") we would be more than happy to publish what you want said.
Cheers.
Neha, The Individual IDs are still working. If you REALLY have any suggestions or wants to discuss any thing with the administration, you can still do that peacefully. But you didn't, we have clear proof of that, that you did not mailed in individual capacity to anyone in the administration.
Wow, Sherlock. When the matter concerns the whole college, your solution is that each of the 700-800 students should mail the administration individually. A communication between two individuals is a dialogue but what the college needs now is a discussion. Unfortunately, a discussion is something which we as an institute have always shied away from. And what do you think would be more effective, a thread of email amongst the students and the institute voicing their concerns or a one-on-one dialogue which we have been attempting to do with the administration for years now.
And you think leaking internal emails to some gossip monger newspapers/websites will solve the issue?
If you didnt have the audacity to come up and raise your concern then, you are no one to post it online and bring the institute a bad name. Aren't you one of the moot achievers? I dont think you will like it if someone told you that you didnt deserve it bcause youre from such a college. Or maybe you get a rejection on your next internship application only because of this online campaign against ILNU that youre part of?
Neha, Don't bother about the college, there are other people who are initiating their problems and getting it resolved with the administration. If You have any issue , you come individually to the authorities.
Also, the group IDs are working now, you may raise college concern on behalf of 700 students now freely. Go Ahead.
Kuch to acha hai ni nirma mein. Fooling students is the only criteria that nirma has tremendous expertise. Assingnments submissions karo phir bhi nt dete h baccho ko. Ek time table to sahi se bana ni sakte aur koi bhi kaam schedule se krte ni h . Good teachers leave the college often . Koi sach bole to strict action will be taken krke pareshaan krte h. To 100 bato ki 1 baat koi bhi khush ni h is college se na students na teachers except top management… this college needs a student union and placements ka to pucho he mat…. kaam sara karwa lenfe placements phir bhi ni h…